Interview with Micaela Domínguez from Amnisty International and Ana Álvarez from Association for the Prevention, Reintegration and Care of Prostituted Women (APRAMP) and after the lecture they gave on Human Trafficking from both local and International sides on the 06th of April of 2017.
Press.:What do you think of Ovimun and how topics such as this are treated?
Micaela.: I think OVImun is a wonderful meeting because in it there are a lot of multiple nationalities taking part and for Amnisty is very important because we can release our point of view about our regulations of human rights of human rights
P: Another question that I have is it has been mentioned the fact that education is needed in the schools for young people, because they’re the future clients of this industry. However: what about the education for adults who are either actual clients or victims now and how are the policies regarding this issue of ignorance from adults?
M.D.: I think the bottom is the education, the education starting at the school, but our work, for example, is make investigation and release report people so that people can see the reality of this kind of people. The woman is a person has rights, has a feelings, she is like you. So, maybe if you think in her in this situation, maybe you think twice next time, no? I think the most important thing is education and reeducation.
P: Last one is a thing that came to my mind: do you think that online safety is an important matter to take into account regarding this issue? Because we live in a society where all our information is everywhere and people can contact you rather easily and finding and spotting people is quite easy a task. I am mentioning this specifically thinking of the “lover boys” who find girls and trick them to get to traffic with them.
M.D.: It could be but not only, because if you look at the victims, normally, these kind of victims is marginal, no? Maybe don’t have enough possibilities to get in contact with the internet or whatever.
So, for this reason the position of the colleagues, friends, lovers etc. is fundamental in this kind of situation, but, of course, another part of the traffickingis by internet.
P: As a member of the Amnisty International I’m disscuss of this problem, human trafficking and prostitution, because in Spain we have got on the one hand a huge sector there agree to legalise prostitution, and the other hand, the other part now it’s have to a penalize it and other things.
My question is, as you mean that prostitution in those countries where it’s legal, such as Norway or Sweden, most of the sexual workers, constantly, and the consumers violent the human rights even they are protected, they have huge protection. For example, human in Spain there is a little hope, because it is not illegal but it it is not legal either. Consumers that they’re encourage the sexual turism and then, when they come back, they make fraud of law So, what can we do from Amnisty International to make aware that situation, because, we are very much protecting the victim, the sexual workers, but what about the consumers?
M.D.: As I told before the bottom is protecting the human rigths of the victims. We can see inside of Europe, a right for legalization or another state in legalization, but if you check the data, you can realise the consumerism of this product continues. So, we must fight to protect the human rights of the victims, and, of course, the european counselor has a recommendation for the members of the states to protect the victims and the recommendation is, also, to look for abstractedly for this issue.
P: Yes but of those countries where the sexual workers are not poor women because in these countries they are doing that because “they want” and they have a huge protection. Why Amnisty International is not focusing maybe on the other part that is that people that goes to this collective.
M.D.: Education against is a Milestone of the organisation, for example in Norway, we reported cases with violation of human rights on prostitution, for this reason it is very hard to decide which system is better than the others. In this case the bottom is to protect the victims, this is why I think education is a milestone of this issue, education for children and young people, also reeducation for the people. These will be done if we put this issue on top of our agenda, also considering the resolution of the parliament and also the council of Europe, so you can see that it has a little bit of visibility, that’s why we must go on in these work.
Press: Ana, what do you think of Ovimun and how it helps to get better awareness of this topic?
A.A.: It’s very important because you have a very conscious group of students about this issue and also concerned about it so it is important that they know that the organisations like this whose aim is to work in this issue here and they know or work and that we support them in human rights and their importance. It is very important to raise awareness, and that they know that here we work every on the prostitution context.
P.: you’ve talked about education in schools but what about educating adults that are the actual client now? How can we help education in this matter?
A.A.: We must educate society, with the client the problem is that they don’t recognize them as clients and they don’t realise that what they are doing is wrong, because they are supported by this structure and the biological needs of men, domination, patriarchy. Even sometimes they think they are doing a favor to those women, because they need the money and money is being given to them, which is not like that, so it is difficult because they think they are doing the right thing. However for society when we do lectures like today or we go to theatres, schools or other celebrations in Asturias and outside. In those places there are people who are people: neighbors, citzen, relatives or friends. It’s not only young people but it is reaching everyone. They are people who now knows about it and they are going to spread the word.
The awareness that this issue exists here in Asturias, in Oviedo, Avilés, Gijón, etc. is very much necessary.
P.: What else appart from prostitution could you say about other kinds of traffic here in Asturias?
A.A.: Not many but there have been cases of trafficking in matters of agriculture and people who is taken from their home countries to be domestic workers as well. We support victims from every kind of human trafficking, even though we are specialists in sex traffic .It is not as big a problem as prostitution and we don’t work in it as deeply because there are not so many cases but we always offer a helping hand when they contact us or we hear about any of these activities taking place, we look further prostitution as a matter to worry about.
P.: Talking about education, not only the clients but also: do you educate the victim? Are they aware of their position as victims?
A.A.: The main problem is that sometimes they don’t see themselves as victims, they victimise themselves and think this is their fault. They did something wrong to their minds, they feel guilty and think it has happened to them and they are to blame.
P.: do you think this is related to the problem in spain that regards gender equality and gender violence?
A.D.: It is related because we live in this situation of domination and pathriarchy, there are also victims who are victims of the crime that is human trafficking and also victims of gender violence, that is why it is connected.